Discussion on “If You Were Mine”

The following discussion is from the post Who Is This – Singing ‘If You Were Mine’?

March 15: Delirium-Zer0: Is it Hirose Mika?

March 16: Grady: Hirose Kohmi covered ‘Sky‘; listen to her cover.

March 16: Grady: Maybe the English version is Faye’s!

March 18: Chun: Clearly not Faye!

March 19: Grady: Same person sings Hmong version!

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Deb, on March 9th, 2009 said:
Whoa!!! Where did this english version of “Sky” come from?? I had no idea “Sky” was not a Faye original… anyway, its definitely not Faye singing it in english, the voice just isn’t the same. The english lyrics… umm… suck? sorry, there was no other word for it, especially when “Sky” lyrics are so well written, its hard not to compare the words. I coulda written better lyrics in high school english!

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feifan, on March 10th, 2009 said:
On 9 March 2009, we received a comment from Fat Tomato that ended up in the spam list and was inadvertently deleted. I received an email notice re the comment and here it is:

Fat Tomato: I don’t have a clue. But has anyone addressed the similarities between Shawn Colvin’s “I Don’t Know Why” and Faye’s “Sky”? “I Don’t Know Why” was released in 1993 and “Sky” was released in 1994.

I listened to the Colvin video on YouTube and Fat Tomato has a good point: Colvin’s song, especially the opening, is very similar to Sky. But despite this and other similarities, the songs seem, on the whole, quite different. But the song was composed and written by others for Faye so my guess is that Faye is probably not aware of the similarities. If Sky is a cover of Colvin’s song, then I’m sure she would have insisted on giving Colvin credit. Faye is very careful about this sort of thing.

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Deb, on March 10th, 2009 said:
OK, so just to clarify (I’m a bit confused right now), the MP3 posted on this page for “if you were mine” is still by an unknown singer right? Cos this song is definitely the same as “Sky”.

But now there’s another song by Shawn Colvin called “I don’t know why” that’s also similar to “Sky”?

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feifan, on March 10th, 2009 said:
DEB: OK, so just to clarify (I’m a bit confused right now), the MP3 posted on this page for “if you were mine” is still by an unknown singer right? Cos this song is definitely the same as “Sky”.

Sorry about the confusion. Yes, the MP3 English version of “Sky” on this page is still by an unknown singer.

DEB: But now there’s another song by Shawn Colvin called “I don’t know why” that’s also similar to “Sky”?

Yes. Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67flP6YePgs

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Deb, on March 11th, 2009 said:
OK, you know I’m a real Faye fan, but I have to be honest here. Shawn Colvin’s song (released 1992 in Fat City album) is MUCH too similar to Sky (released Nov 1994). The intro and interlude arrangements are practically identical. Granted, some of the melody is different, but it seems someone has heard Colvin’s song and taken the basic chords and arrangement and “composed” Sky. The accredited composer of Sky is Yang Ming-Huang. I feel the line between ’sampling’ and ‘composing’ very blurred between these songs, very skeptical.

I still prefer Sky, I find the melody more interesting and Faye’s voice suits the tone/feel of the song better than Colvin. But feel a bit weird/cheated that the songs are that similar…

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feifan, on March 12th, 2009 said:
Deb, I definitely understand your feelings re “Sky.” I wonder how others feel. If it’s a “real” problem, I wonder what steps Faye and her team ought to take.

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Delirium-Zer0, on March 12th, 2009 said:
I came across “If You Were Mine” almost 10 years ago easily… as soon as I heard it I knew it wasn’t Faye…. but to this day I’ve never been able to find any info on it. :(

Perhaps it was a fan with good recording equipment who wrote her own english lyrics to the song and just put it on the internet, then someone just mislabeled it? The vocal techniques and lyrics are certainly amateurish enough for that to be the case.

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Dan, on March 13th, 2009 said:
According to search on baidu.com, the song If You Were Mine is sung by Japanese singer 广赖美香. She doesn’t have wikipedia i think, so I can’t find her english name on google.

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feifan, on March 13th, 2009 said:
Thanks, Dan. This seems to be the first clue that we have thus far: “Japanese singer 广赖美香.” I googled it and didn’t come up with much. I did, though, find the lyrics at a Brazilian site, Vagalume:

If you were mine
I could love you with my life
If you were mine
I’ll be there all the time
We’ll be so happy just you and me
‘Dancin through the night
‘Holdin you tight
I will treat you so right with my heart
Will you let me
Open your heart with my love
Will you let me
Show you how to be free
I just want you to be happy
Let me love you dear
Deep in my heart
My love won’t you let me in your heart
Won’t you tell me if you really wanna hide
Won’t you tell me if you don’t love me
I just want you to be happy
Let me love you dear
Deep in my heart
My love won’t you let me in your heart
I’ve been waiting for that someone just like you
I wont let go until you say
Goodbye dear!

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Wubing, on March 14th, 2009 said:
This song I used to have it in my Touched by an Angel CBS drama soundtrack….it is my fav drama about two Angels send down by GOD to help people. I dunt really feel it is so TIAN KONG, until now hehe. But both is nice in their different way.

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Grady, on March 15th, 2009 said:
wow, i’m sorry i missed this conversation, but I must say, I’d worked in the the field of music copyrighting for a few years and this is pretty shameless.

Of course, in 1994, Faye wouldn’t have had the sort of creative control as she does now, so the REAL blame would be with the composer, arrangers, producers, and the label. But it would’ve been bad news for Faye if, let’s say, Shawn Colvin, were to decide she wanted something for it way-back-when (assuming she hadn’t received anything that was undisclosed to the public already) …

because I think she legally would have a case here.

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Delirium-Zer0, on March 15th, 2009 said:
The “Japanese singer”’s given name is Mika, I can tell you that, but… granted I don’t know a whole lot of japanese but i’ve looked at a variety of names over the years and 广赖 is NOT a family name I’ve ever come across… I don’t recognize the second character as even being japanese. ….Yeah, the dictionary I usually check agrees that that is not a kanji. Not sure what the japanese equivalent of that family name would be. But her given name is definitely Mika. (Which honestly doesn’t narrow it down at all, it’s a very very common name)

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Delirium-Zer0, on March 15th, 2009 said:
Ah, it’s Hirose. :) I managed to find it after some more in-depth googling.

So! “If You Were Mine” is sung by someone named Hirose Mika.

I have never heard of her in my life, and I follow Japanese music quite a bit. So she could still possibly just be a fan. Hard to tell.

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feifan, on March 15th, 2009 said:
Delirium-Zer0, thanks! This is a breakthrough! If “Hirose Mika” is the singer’s name, then this kanji 広瀬美香 should work. I did a quick google and could only come up with a porn “star” by that name. Surely she’s not the one we’re looking for <g>.

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Grady, on March 16th, 2009 said:
You’re probably thinking of Hirose Kohmi “広瀬香美” who was a very popular jpop singer in the 1990s.

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Grady, on March 16th, 2009said:
Actually sorry to post twice…

but it is “Hirose Kohmi” “広瀬香美” from her 1997 album “Thousands of Covers (Disc1)”

http://www.hirose-kohmi.jp/discography/index.html track 7

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feifan, on March 16th, 2009 said:
Grady, I think you’re right. Hirose Kohmi covered Faye’s Sky in “her 1997 album ‘Thousands of Covers (Disc1).'” Her version (see the audio below), from the brief intro that’s available online, seems to be in Mandarin. So, we’re back at square one, not knowing the singer of the English version, “If You Were Mine.”

Hear the full version below, uploaded by Grady!

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Grady, on March 16th, 2009 said:
It seems the hunt continues…

so as we found Hirose Kohmi covered Sky… it isn’t the english cover in the OP. It’s just a standard cover.

I uploaded it here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=60CRF4RH

…now, i’m really interested to know who did the English Version. lol

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Grady, on March 16th, 2009 said:
You know… I think Faye has all of us fooled. Because taking the period (1994) into consideration…

then re-listening to “Eyes on Me” 5 years later leads me to determine that this English version is indeed Faye Wong.

The vocal quality, tonality, and elocution is VERY similar. The production is obviously different (less reverb)

But in 5 years Faye’s English delivery seems to have matured just as her voice had in such time…

so it makes to me. Maybe there really is no searching to do.

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Chun, on March 18th, 2009 said:
Hey. The covered version of “Sky” is clear not sung by Faye. Wake up! And, I think it doesn’t matter if Sky similar to some English songs. It’s usually that some songs share similarity. As long as Faye did sing the song sky beautifully. BTW, she did not compose the song though!

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Grady, on March 19th, 2009 said:
Many would not have believed Faye were singing “Eyes on Me” if it had been a fly by song.

as far as “waking up goes”… 醒不來.

lastly, if it’s not Faye… it’s still the same person singing the Hmong version here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvlEOpKcv_0

so who is it? :)

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feifan, on March 19th, 2009 said:
Here’s Faye’s version from her 2003 Christmas Eve concert in HK:

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10 Responses

  1. wow, i’m sorry i missed this conversation, but I must say, I’d worked in the the field of music copyrighting for a few years and this is pretty shameless.

    Of course, in 1994, Faye wouldn’t have had the sort of creative control as she does now, so the REAL blame would be with the composer, arrangers, producers, and the label. But it would’ve been bad news for Faye if, let’s say, Shawn Colvin, were to decide she wanted something for it way-back-when (assuming she hadn’t received anything that was undisclosed to the public already) …

    because I think she legally would have a case here.

  2. The “Japanese singer”‘s given name is Mika, I can tell you that, but… granted I don’t know a whole lot of japanese but i’ve looked at a variety of names over the years and 广赖 is NOT a family name I’ve ever come across… I don’t recognize the second character as even being japanese. ….Yeah, the dictionary I usually check agrees that that is not a kanji. Not sure what the japanese equivalent of that family name would be. But her given name is definitely Mika. (Which honestly doesn’t narrow it down at all, it’s a very very common name)

  3. Ah, it’s Hirose. :) I managed to find it after some more in-depth googling.

    So! “If You Were Mine” is sung by someone named Hirose Mika.

    I have never heard of her in my life, and I follow Japanese music quite a bit. So she could still possibly just be a fan. Hard to tell.

  4. Delirium-Zer0, thanks! This is a breakthrough! If “Hirose Mika” is the singer’s name, then this kanji 広瀬美香 should work. I did a quick google and could only come up with a porn “star” by that name. Surely she’s not the one we’re looking for .

  5. You’re probably thinking of Hirose Kohmi “広瀬香美” who was a very popular jpop singer in the 1990s.

  6. Grady, I think you’re right. Hirose Kohmi covered Faye’s Sky in “her 1997 album ‘Thousands of Covers (Disc1).’” Her version, from the brief intro that’s available online, seems to be in Mandarin. So, we’re back at square one, not knowing the singer of the English version, “If You Were Mine.”

  7. It seems the hunt continues…

    so as we found Hirose Kohmi covered Sky… it isn’t the english cover in the OP. It’s just a standard cover.

    I uploaded it here:

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=60CRF4RH

    …now, i’m really interested to know who did the English Version. lol

  8. You know… I think Faye has all of us fooled. Because taking the period (1994) into consideration…

    then re-listening to “Eyes on Me” 5 years later leads me to determine that this English version is indeed Faye Wong.

    The vocal quality, tonality, and elocution is VERY similar. The production is obviously different (less reverb)

    But in 5 years Faye’s English delivery seems to have matured just as her voice had in such time…

    so it makes to me. Maybe there really is no searching to do.

  9. Many would not have believed Faye were singing “Eyes on Me” if it had been a fly by song.

    as far as “waking up goes”… 醒不來.

    lastly, if it’s not Faye… it’s still the same person singing the Hmong version here.

    so who is it? :)

  10. Wow, no wonder it was hard to find anything about anyone named “广赖美香”…. someone SERIOUSLY got their characters screwed up when labeling the mp3. Not surprising, given that the english mp3 isn’t even Kohmi Hirose’s version of the song (I AM familiar with Kohmi Hirose, just didn’t realize those kanji could be the same person XD!)

    I’m sticking with my theory that it’s a fan. There’s really nothing professional about either of her versions of the song.

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